At a rare moment of peak polarization in American history, John Dorlean, a hospitalized father of three, receives an anonymous, crucial donation of convalescent plasma to combat his intensifying case of COVID-19. An article shared thousands of times over 24 hours, along with a bit of good timing, just may have saved John’s life.
At a rare moment of peak polarization in American history, John Dorlean, a hospitalized father of three, receives an anonymous, crucial donation of convalescent plasma to combat his intensifying case of COVID-19. An article shared thousands of times over 24 hours, along with a bit of good timing, just may have saved John’s life.
Episode 36 opens with an examination of "viral" content and some of the key factors that result in content being shared widely. The guys declare that beyond inimitable fail videos captured by accident, outrageous unicorns pooping rainbow sherbet, or tug-at-the-heartstrings branded content, there is a category of viral content that is underrepresented: the call for help from one’s community.
Adam chats with John Dorlean, a personal friend and a father of three from Maine. In December, despite willfully adhering to safety precautions, John and his wife both contracted COVID-19. Wanda didn’t have an easy go of it; intense flu-like symptoms knocked her out of commission. And while she was suffering and John was caring for her and their three children, his own symptoms started presenting. With two sick parents and three kids under the age of 13, now just days before Christmas, the Dorleans’ world was upside down. As Wanda improved, John’s condition worsened, rendering him increasingly short of breath and feverish, eventually landing him in Intensive Care.
Unaware of how tenuous his situation really was, John was told that he required a transfusion of convalescent plasma… (whatever that meant…) but his rare AB Negative blood type meant that the plasma was not immediately available.
While the hospital desperately searched their network, Wanda and a family friend got to work and ultimately got John’s story picked up by regional news networks and by Seacoast Online in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, their regional news outlet. And then the magic started to happen.
The article was shared thousands of times, and within 24 hours, there were multiple leads and interested parties, and a donation of AB Negative convalescent plasma was delivered to the hospital specifically for John the next day. The transfusion saved his life.
Now at home recuperating with lingering symptoms, John shares his incredible story and lends some words of advice to other parents about how to protect their families, and how to continue spreading kindness and generosity, just as it was shown to him.
Also, in an installment of So That’s A Thing Now, we learn that Marc’s kids suddenly love dancing naked!
Links:
Article: Kittery Dad Fighting COVID-19 Needs Emergency Plasma Donation
Article: Kittery Man Battling COVID-19 Gets Overnight Plasma Donation
Wife of Kittery Man Fighting COVID-19 'Blown Away' by Support
American Red Cross
Plasma Donation Information
Half Court Basketball Shot
Balloon Boy Hoax
Dove "Real Beauty Sketches"
Squatty Potty Commercial
Harmon Brothers
“Wonky Donkey” by Craig Smith
“Funky Dunky” by Harry Connick, Jr.
Red Vault Audio
Caspar Babypants
Spencer Albee
Adam:
Marc, I couldn't even tell you what day of the week it is right now.
Marc:
I know that when this day started, it was a Monday. But there's no way that it's still that same day. There's no way.
Adam:
We gotta be into Wednesday by now.
Marc:
At least. At least Wednesday.
Adam:
This is Modern Dadhood. It's an ongoing conversation about the joys, challenges and general insanity of being a dad in this moment.
Marc:
This one… And this one.
Adam:
My name's Adam Flaherty, I'm a father of two girls, one who is now officially seven and one who is almost four.
Marc:
And my name is Marc Checket. I am a father to twin boy toddlers, soon to be three years old. And they're getting pretty excited about it, actually now, which is cute.
Adam:
So Marc, a lot of people have asked over the course of the history of the podcast if we really are only dealing with fatherhood in terms of having young children. What would you say to that?
Marc:
I have also thought that.
Adam:
You've thought that about our show? You've wondered it about your podcast?
Marc:
I haven't wondered it, but the thought has crossed my mind because the perspective that I'm coming at this is a one of a dude who's got young, young kids. And we've talked with, we've had a couple of conversations with people who not only have grown kids, but they're in the grandkid territory.
Adam:
Right. The show really has given us an opportunity to learn from fathers of older kids, what we might be in for down the road.
Marc:
Yeah, I feel it actually kind of really does sort of run the gamut.
Adam:
We're still at the beginning of this thing. And as our kids grow, our perspectives on fatherhood are going to change and evolve. While things may skew a little on the younger side now because of where you and I are in our lives, this conversation is for all dads. And my hope is that all of you fathers with teenage kids or adult children can get as much out of the podcast as those of you who can directly relate to the craziness of Marc's life and my life.
Marc:
Yeah.
Adam:
All right. So all that said, today's guest is a friend of mine named John Dorlean. John is a father of three and he's recovering from a really rough run-in with COVID-19. I got a chance to speak to him just recently, and we're going to listen to that conversation shortly. So Marc, John's story is incredible and I can't wait for you to hear it. But it's really got me thinking about something that actually comes up in my work from time to time. And I'm curious to hear if it ever comes up for you. I'm in video production, as you know, and it seems like maybe once a year or so, someone will reach out looking to create a piece of video content that has the potential to go viral. I know that you work in the agency world, not specifically in video, but have you ever had a client reach out with the hopes of creating viral content?
Marc:
Yeah. I've certainly had the conversations, which are always a little tricky to have.
Adam:
Yeah.
Marc:
Because you can't sit down and orchestrate viral content.
Adam:
Well, that's the thing, that's the thing. I feel like typically when people are looking to create viral content, what they really want is to create an advertisement for their business. Then they want that to be shared like crazy and become an internet phenomenon that ultimately generates tons of clicks and sales and that they're able to monetize it. I think that's sort of the end game.
Marc:
And don't we all want that.
Adam:
Of course!
Marc:
It seems so within reach because we see it all the time on our screens.
Adam:
Every time this comes up for me pertaining to my work in video production, I take some time to explore it on my own all over again and to explain to them what my own research on viral content has taught me. And what I found is that there are a few specific categories that viral content, at least viral videos fall into. I think probably just talking through it, you would probably be able to identify some of those yourself.
Marc:
Some of the categories that that type of content tends to fall into.
Adam:
So one category, for example, would be like, I call “lightning in a bottle.” So it's like someone captures something by accident that is so unlikely or rare or absurd. And the people who watch it, have to share it because it's so crazy. But basically it was captured by accident. So the person who captured it got really lucky.
Marc:
There's the news clip of the guy talking about an insane accidental half court shot. And in shooting his little intro to the show, to the segment, he's standing at half court with the bucket behind him.
Adam:
And he does it.
Marc:
And he throws it and it goes in.
Adam:
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Marc:
There's no way you could have planned that. There's no way you could have banked on that being the case. And it just so happens that they captured it. It makes me think of, remember that balloon kid?
Adam:
Balloon boy.
Marc:
It was balloon boy. He was never in the balloon.
Adam:
Nope. Yeah. Oh, that was incredible!
Marc:
That was incredible. And that was everywhere. And it was like, who wouldn't want to help get a runaway kid who's stuck in some weird device out there, back to safety?
Adam:
Yeah. Was it like a weather balloon or something?
Marc:
And the kid gave it all away. That was the best part.
Adam:
Yeah!
Marc:
On live television, gave it all the way.
Adam:
It was spectacular.
Marc:
It really was. It was an absolutely spectacular, just crumbling. That's the other side of that coin, it's the dirty side of that coin.
Adam:
The second category, at least in my experience, is that a company or a brand creates something that in the industry we call branded content. It can be genuine, but it is specifically designed to elicit a specific emotion. And that could be that it's really sad or really heartwarming, tugs the heartstrings or it's very socially relevant. And the branding part of it is almost an afterthought. It's presented by Dove or it's presented by Coca Cola or whatever.
Marc:
I was just going to say the first one that comes to mind is the Dove commercial with the artist.
Adam:
That's a great one.
Marc:
Yep. Would you put the Dollar Shave Club, the original Dollar Shave Club commercial, would you put that in that viral?
Adam:
The Dollar Shave Club is a great example of the third category, actually, that I was going to say, which is a company spends a bunch of money to create an absolutely over the top outrageously funny commercial and then puts a lot of money, media money, behind it so that a lot of people see it. And the more people see it, the more people are talking about it. The Harmon Brothers, create that kind of content, Squatty Potty, things like that all the time.
Marc:
Got to be careful with that kind of stuff because when then somebody tries to replicate that you can smell it from a mile away. Like, “these guys are doing a Dollar Shave Club commercial.”
Adam:
Right. So the writing needs to be really creative and you need to basically reinvent it every time or else it is just going to look like a kind of a copycat situation. Anyway, my conversation with today's guest got me thinking about this because it really, John's story has opened my eyes to another category of viral that at least in video production, I hadn't really considered. And it has to do with putting out a time sensitive cry for help, and then a community of people sharing it and sharing it and really rising to the occasion to help however they can.
Marc:
In certain cases, things go viral because it's just a happenstance of alignment, right? There's something that's going on in the public sphere that everybody's aware of and everybody's keyed into, like coronavirus. It's in front of us all the time, every time we turn on whatever device, right? John's situation is unique in that he not only is a local person, but he also has a bit of a rare situation in the fact that he's got a rare blood type. And it's just one of those situations that it ended up going, I would say a little bit viral at the very least in our neck of the woods, because it's such an unfortunate circumstance. This isn't something that's fun for people to share, but it feels like it's like what can we do? The only thing that we can do is maybe share the story in hopes that maybe if enough people see this, something good can come out of it.
Adam:
And you and I both saw it being shared a lot because we are in the greater community. But I can tell you, this got shared way beyond as well.
Marc:
Just when I think I'm going to swear off social media altogether because it's all terrible.
Adam:
It is awful.
Marc:
Once in a while, there's a shining example of what can be so powerful about it.
Adam:
Yep. Sometimes it comes through. So I'm going to go ahead and share my recent conversation with John Dorlean right now. Hey John, how are you?
John:
I'm good!
Adam:
You look good. I gotta say, you look good.
John:
Thank you. I feel way better than the day that I came home from the hospital. So as long as I'm on that trend, I'm feeling excellent about everything.
Adam:
So physically you're up, you're moving around.
John:
Yeah. I'm not 100%, but I'm definitely feeling the difference between three Saturdays ago and today.
Adam:
Good. Well, it's really nice to see you because the last image I saw you was in the newspaper and you didn't look all that happy. And the text that accompanied the picture certainly was pretty unsettling. So before we get into that story, obviously we know each other personally. But for folks listening, you have several kids. I'd love to hear you just talk a little bit about your family, how old the kids are, and maybe what their understanding of the whole pandemic would have been before it directly affected your family.
John:
I have three kids. My oldest, he just turned 12. My middle daughter, she's 10 and a half, very spirited, very spunky. And my youngest is almost eight and they understood the pandemic. We did the best we could to explain to them things like when you wear a mask, you're not doing it for yourself, you're doing it for everyone else. They understood to stay away from other people, they're aware of it prior to and even more so now.
Adam:
So it sounds like your family was being pretty safe and aware of it.
John:
Yeah.
Adam:
Maybe I would just have you sort of start at the beginning of your journey with it then. What did an average day look like for you, say, a month ago?
John:
A normal day would just be me in front of my computer working all day, or doing tasks around the house. Anything that needs to be built around the house, I do.
Adam:
So then at some point you were exposed to COVID.
John:
Yeah.
Adam:
First off. Do you know how or where?
John:
It started with Wanda, my wife. So she got it and she didn't know at which point she contracted it. She works at York hospital. So the thought is that it happened at some point in time, like maybe there was a person who was admitted and didn't know they had COVID. There are a lot of different contact points where she could have contracted it, even though that for them, in the hospital, they are ultra safe with their PPE. It was unfortunate that she contracted it. And I remember it was probably around December 11th when I couldn't get out of bed. I had already accepted that I probably contracted it after she said that she did. And I just accepted that this was going to be the flu-like symptoms.
Adam:
Right.
John:
I was crossing my fingers, "Oh, I'm going to have the flu version of the symptoms of Corona." But nope, that didn't turn out to be the case. But interestingly enough is that my kids did not contract it.
Adam:
Wow.
John:
So you have parents that did, but kids that didn't at all, because they've been tested throughout and they kept coming up negative. I was telling somebody it's not going to be for another decade, probably till we understand what this thing actually is.
Adam:
Now you said it was mid December when it got to the point where you were really stuck in bed, just feeling miserable.
John:
Yeah.
Adam:
Was she more or less recovered at that point so that she could at least help you and take care of your kids and make sure that they were getting what they needed too?
John:
No, no. So we were two sick parents walking around the house trying to help them. I remember at one point in time when it snowed here, I was outside shoveling because it had to get done, even though that we were both sick. It did start to taper off, I think sometime later in December, like around the 20th or something like that, but it was still pretty bad in the beginning of it all.
Adam:
Talk to me about the symptoms when you were confined to your bed. What was going through your head? At what point did you say to yourself, or did she say to you, "Listen, we're going to the hospital"?
John:
So I think it was around the 21st I started coughing and kept getting progressively worse. So I thought it was bronchitis and it just kept snowballing down from there. I was in coughing fits anytime I moved. So I started hanging out in the living room because it's the closest room to my office. So I would sit on the couch or really lie on the couch with a blanket. And the amount of time that I had to rest just kept increasing to the point where, oh, goodness, I remember it was the 23rd. I was just lying there, try to be as motionless as possible so that I wouldn't get into a coughing fit. And I stayed there for like eight hours.
Adam:
Wow.
John:
And I didn't eat or drink anything. And then that night I remember Wanda helping me up to the bedroom and I finally got up there and pretty much that's where I stayed. I couldn't move after that. That was it. And that was the last place that I was before I went into the ER.
Adam:
Had you and Wanda come to terms with the idea that your three kids were probably going to get this just because you couldn't quarantine yourselves from them and you need it to still be their care providers?
John:
Yeah, yeah. We were trying to figure out how to do things because obviously they couldn't go to school. I restrict their video game playing time and their TV time so that they're not just vegging.
Adam:
Yeah.
John:
After they've finished their schoolwork, I go, "Just go ahead, watch TV."
Adam:
Yeah.
John:
Yeah, we relied on the electronic babysitter for her for a few days.
Adam:
And we're talking about two days before Christmas when it got really bad for you. Right? Christmas was already going to be very different this year, no matter what. You must have just, again, just come to terms with the idea that Christmas wasn't really going to happen.
John:
Right. Right. And they see the Amazon boxes and neither Wanda or I had the energy to wrap anything. So just like, "We'll just let them unwrap the boxes." We were just so done. So, yeah, from their perspective they just got a chance to play a lot of video games and they were just waiting for the time where they could open the boxes.
Adam:
Okay. So you decide that it's time to go to the hospital or you and Wanda together make that decision. So take me through it from there. Did you drive yourself?
John:
No. No, because Wanda, she had picked up a blood oxygen monitor and at one point in time, I had to go to the bathroom and I was having such difficulty walking back to my bedroom. I remember calling for her, as I'm just trying to make it back, and I just crash on the bed and I'm panting with short breaths, sweating. And she goes, grabs the blood oxygen monitor when she comes up and sees me. And then she had this really concerned look on her face and said, "I'm calling the ambulance." And so in my dumb dad brain, I'm thinking, "Well, how much is that going to cost? Is that necessarily?"
Adam:
Oh man.
John:
Because I was like, “I've had pneumonia before, this will just go away.” And for her she's like, "No."
Adam:
This is an emergency.
John:
Right. So the ambulance got there and I remember my coughs and the breaths in between the coughs were at such a high pitch that I realized, "Oh my gosh, I'm only breathing through the top part of my lungs. I'm not taking full breaths." It sounded like a seven-year-old coughing. It was just this high pitched, weird sound that I never heard before. They immediately started monitoring my everything, heart rate, the blood oxygen. And they noticed that it was in the eighties. And I didn't know anything about that. And knowing that it's supposed to be in the high nineties, I was like, "Oh, that's a problem." But at the time, I didn't know. Now the weird thing is that from my vantage point, I had a completely different experience than everyone else. And I had to become more and more aware of that because from my vantage point, I was just weak and coughing. So I remember when they brought me from the ER into just a regular hospital room, they had me sitting in a wheelchair and I remember just slumping over, trying to figure out how the feet thing works. And I was barely able to move. And I'm thinking to myself, "Do I look like Stephen Hawking in this chair?" And that's my thought, just sort of slumped in this thing. And they're bringing me to the room and I remember feeling the breeze through the hall and it was like, "Oh, that feels so good." And so from my vantage point, I'm just sweaty and weak. But everyone else around me is scrambling because they're noticing that these vitals are on a decline.
Adam:
Is that the point where it dawned on you how serious it was?
John:
It didn't dawn on me till I came home, three Saturdays ago, because I wasn't told how bad it was until probably the last day when talking to the doctor. Again, from my vantage point, they're just asking me questions, like simple questions, "Do you know your blood type?" And they're like, "Okay, we have to draw blood anyway, so we're going to get your blood type." And I'm like, "Okay."
Adam:
“Do what you need to do.” Yeah.
John:
“Take whatever.”
Adam:
And what did they find when they drew that blood and determined your blood type?
John:
They came in and told me that I have AB Negative blood and I don't know what that means. And so it wasn't until later I found out, "Oh, that's a very rare blood type." According to whatever, there's only 1% of the population with that blood type. And so I'm like, "Well, that's a problem."
Adam:
Oh my God.
John:
The doctor came to me and told me that we're going to give you a transfusion of convalescent plasma. I didn't know what any of that meant. What I gathered after the fact is they were increasing the amount of medication to stop my decline. They started me on two liters of oxygen. Then they moved me up to four. Now four is when you give oxygen to someone who is having a really bad day. They moved me to 10. So I'm on this large tube through my nose. There were points in time where I was going through a coughing fit and I just thought to myself, are they going to have to give me a tracheotomy? That's how difficult it was to breathe. The plasma seemed to be sort of like a hail Mary situation until we all found out that, "Oh, he's got AB Negative. So let's call around to see if we could find that."
Adam:
Okay. So now I'm imagining it from the hospital's perspective. They have a patient who's in really rough shape who has this extremely rare blood type that they don't have access to in their hospital. I would imagine that then they reach out to all other hospitals and blood banks in the region. And that's got to be their first step to say, how can we acquire this regionally?
John:
Right.
Adam:
And then what's next?
John:
So that became the hospital's top priority. And it also became my wife's top priority. So she started looking on social media and the hospital, they were calling around trying to find it locally. And that's when the whole news piece came out because not just my wife's efforts, but one of my best friends saw her post. And she calls up Wanda immediately and was asking, "What's going on?" And Wanda explained it to her. And then when she got the gravity of it, she was just like, "Oh my gosh. We got to do something." I think Wanda got it in Seacoast Online and she called the local television networks. And with that effort on all fronts, they were able to find it for me.
Adam:
The article that you're referring to, just for folks listening. When I first saw it come across my device, my phone, basically the article was for a call to action for anybody who has that blood type or anybody who knows anybody who has that blood type to consider donating it and to contact the Red Cross if they would like to talk about it or to arrange that. So once that was published, it really happened very quickly. Word spread like crazy.
John:
They got it within 10 hours, which is in less than a day. That's amazing to me. I was floored and humbled by the fact that strangers are coming out of nowhere to contribute. To me, it was so touching to know the goodness of humanity and the community.
Adam:
In a time when Americans are so polarized and it feels like it started politically, but now it goes even deeper. It's like the last four years or so have really brought out a lot of people's true colors and they're not pretty. There's a lot of anger, there's a lot of hate. And I was really inspired to see how the community came together first and foremost, to get the word out, but how far of a reach that article had and how quickly things started to happen? I don't know if you were receiving any updates or anything, but this story took off locally. It was everywhere. And immediately after I shared it, my friend Barry out in Los Angeles shared it to a Facebook group for people all over the country who have recuperated from COVID, and multiple people responded asking how and where they could donate and how they could get this to you.
John:
That's amazing. Again, I'm just leaning over and struggling to pick up the phone to call for some oatmeal. But I had no idea what was going on in the outside world. My only indication was Wanda, because she works at the hospital. They did grant her the opportunity to come chat with me. She told me that they were able to find the plasma. She also told me that my mom is on her way from Fort Myers, my first thought was, "No, she can't come." And now taking stock of the whole situation, essentially what my mom was saying is I'm going to risk my life to do this. I'm going to risk my life to see my baby. And you can appreciate a parent's love. I'm not a person who cries. I've cried more in the last three weeks than I've done in the last three years. I had a firsthand experience of seeing the beautiful American experience. And this storm, I sat in the eye of it and I just cried because I saw the beauty of what it looks like when we are unified and we come together.
Adam:
Maybe you weren't a crier before man, but you're a crier now!
John:
Yeah, I am. And it feels good! I mean, I came home and even with my high pitched cough voice, I'm just crying, holding my kids. They're all crying. We're all crying, everyone, tears everywhere. They were just so happy to see me when I came home. So I just accept, well, okay, this is cool now, this is how I am.
Adam:
Do you think that there's a lesson that your kids could take away from your experience?
John:
The thing that I keep trying to emphasize to them is be good to each other. I don't want to include, you don't know when you're going to see someone last, but the biggest thing is let's be good to each other. And it's a battle because there's no place to go.
Adam:
Right. We're stuck together.
John:
We're all stuck in the house. Yeah. But I think if we can understand that in this extreme circumstance, they're going to be points in time where everyone's going to be out of the house and doing something. And then if we've exercised that muscle now, then when it gets easier, we won't go our separate ways when they go off to college and not contact each other.
Adam:
Aside from adhering to all the safety protocols, do you have any thoughts or words of advice that you'd like to share to parents listening?
John:
Oh, absolutely. Even with the COVID guidelines in schools, educating your kids to know that putting on a mask is not for your safety, it's for other people, I think is a good message because kids aren't altruistic. Making this something that they can do for other people is a great lesson.
Adam:
John, thank you so much for your willingness to talk about this so openly. I am personally really glad that you're on the mend. And considering how good of a person you are and how well respected you are in the community, to some degree, I'm not surprised that people came together for you the way that they did. But I'm so encouraged by how much that article spread and how quickly you were able to get what you needed in order to get home and recuperate. And you know that I'm here for whatever you need and hope that you would never feel weird about asking for any help in any way.
John:
Not anymore! I'm a crier, and I'm giving.
Adam:
And not afraid to take!
John:
And not afraid to be given to, yes.
Marc:
Adam? Adam? Are you there?
Adam:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Marc:
What's up? Adam, wake up. We're still recording. I wanted to let you know that I have a So That’s a Thing Now.
Adam:
Oh, you do!
Marc:
I do.
Adam:
Great.
Marc:
I'm going to kick this one off with a quick question. Are you familiar?
Adam:
Yes.
Marc:
Oh, great.
Adam:
I'm among the most familiar of people.
Marc:
Then we're done. Are you familiar with the song and children's book “Wonky Donkey” by Craig Smith?
Adam:
I'd be lying if I said I was familiar with that book.
Marc:
Okay, you've not heard of Wonky Donkey, either the song or the book by Craig Smith. A best-selling book, I might add. So just quick context for this: So there's a book and a song called Wonky Donkey, as if we haven't established that already. And one day I was thinking of a song by Harry Connick Jr., which you may know.
Adam:
I do know Harry Connick Jr.
Marc:
And he has a song of an album from the nineties and the song is “Funky Dunky,” and it's like this just weird little interlude, like 45 second piece or whatever that goes from one song to another. And it was in my mind, it was in my head. I was kind of humming it. And I thought, Alexa, maybe you know this song. So I said, "Alexa, play Funky Dunky." And Alexa says, "Playing Wonky Donkey by Craig Smith." Okay. I said, "Oh, I'll give this a shot. It's not what I asked for, but give it to me. I'm open." It's a silly little song about a donkey that's got like three legs. He also smells bad, but he's also really handsome and he likes country music.
Adam:
Sounds like a pretty wonky guy.
Marc:
Yeah. Very wonky individual here. So this song plays and I make a big to-do about it because I'm like "What?" And I'm just being like this big animated, like Muppet in front of my kids. Like, what is this crazy song? But the kids thought this song was hilarious. And for some reason they decided to just strip all the clothes, everything came off. I don't know what about the song prompted that, but it has since become a thing in this household. They'll suggest, “I want to do Wonky Donkey.” And as they're saying, "I want to do Wonky Donkey," the pants are coming down.
Adam:
Getting naked. Yeah!
Marc:
The shirt’s coming off, the underwear's getting kicked and it's this big, hilarious thing to them that they run around listening and singing along to Wonky Donkey while they're naked. They just lose their mind. They're just laughing their heads off with this.
Adam:
So has it crossed your mind that the first time it happened, the getting naked was just part of playing along with how crazy you were being, and they both realized how freeing it was to dance naked in the living room, and then now Wonky Donkey is just the conduit that allows for the nakedness, the naked frolicking?
Marc:
Maybe. I would imagine that they find it a little bit freeing. We've come into the world this way. Let's just let it hang, man.
Adam:
There you have it. That's a thing. Wonky Donkey, nakie dance.
Marc:
Friends, listeners, family, anyone out there, you can find us at ModernDadhood.com, you can find us at Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts, I think it's called. Wherever you find your podcasts, you'll find Modern Dadhood.
Adam:
If you'd be so kind as to leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, we would forever be in your debt.
Marc:
Forever.
Adam:
You can also find us on social media, on Facebook and Instagram, where we put lots of outtakes from the show that didn't make it into episodes and lots of other great content.
Marc:
You can write us at hey@ModernDadhood.com. Check in with us and have a laugh. Tell us what you're up to.
Adam:
And thank you as always to Caspar Babypants and Spencer Albee for the music in our podcast, to Pete Morse at Red Vault Audio, to John Dorlean for sharing his story, to Craig Smith-
Marc:
Creator of Wonky Donkey.
Adam:
For allowing us to use his amazing song in the episode and…
Marc:
To you, the listener.